Anyway i said the site is for all muslims, but i follow the quran & sunnah.And not that i hate or have anything against the shia brothers , i just dont share the same views as them. "efnet: lek@#jihad: I have converted many sunnis to shia". And after few more words i got kicked. And why i got kicked "I hope you have the courage to stand up for your belief if you think you are right discuss this on the forum". Anyway the disucsion and the words got heated up, knowing how confusing and frustarting it was , i hope some brothers can clear the confusion and hatered on this matter.

My First Questions To Shia Borthers
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1. Why do they believe in or they make it seem like (Hazarat Ali , Hazarat Umar,Hazarat Usman and Hazarat Hussein) more than Allah and his Prophet (PBUH). I am not accusing but everywhere u go , and whatever u listen from shia brothers it never once mention Allah and his prophet (PBUH) which i think is completely wrong. I mean we all should pray to Allah and ask for His help , Sunni's always pray and ask for help from Allah.

2. What you do beating cuttting and bleeding yourself on the days of muhram is strictly forbidden, and again like the above statement it is obvious.

3. I have heard (May Allah forgive me ) and this is just to clear somethings out for sunni brothers heads, that u hate Hazarat Abu Bker Saddique. ?

So far this is all the confusion i have about shai brothers.

Salam and plz if there is any confusion or questions about sunni brothers do ask.

I myself don't consider myself a Sunni or Shiite, even though my thoughts side with the Sunnis more. Everyone please take a moment to read this verse of the Holy Quran below and let it absorb into your mind: ” The same religion has he established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah, which We sent by inspiration to thee and that We enjoined on Abraham, Moses and Jesus, namely that you should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein as those who worship other things than Allah.

Hard is the way to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn ( to Him ).” Surah 42, Verse 13 I'm sure all of us are well aware of this verse and others like it, but I think some of us really need to grasp the meaning of this verse and understand it's importance.

The Quran clearly tells us not to divide our people, yet we do and the conversation brother irfmeh's conversation is proof of it! We can have our own interpretations of things and have different feelings, but we have to stay in one Ummah if we want to succeed in the afterlife. Just because we couldn't agree on who the next caliph should've been doesn't mean we have to stand apart from each other.

Salaams.

If someone was to look at shia how they came about, who did they followed one would see that from begininig they caused nothing but division. Starting from the khilaafah of abu bakr, who apposed him? Shia did

At time of Khaalifah Ali, who made trouble between him and Mu3aawiyah? Shia did

Who claimed that Ali was better then prophet and that angle jibreel made mistake in giving the prophethood to prophet muhammed, rather it was meant for Ali? Shia did

Who invented this belief that Quran is incomplete and that a portion is saved with one of their 12th imam? shia do

who curse the most noble of people Abu bakr, umar, uthmaan, Ayehsa and many more? shia do

Who threw allegations on our mother Ayesha that she was not a pure women? shia do....the list goes on and on...

so one can see that from their begining they caused nothing but division and invented corrupt beliefs. How can this group ever achieve pleasure of Allah or claim that they are from followers of prophet, when after the death of prophet these shia were the 1st one to cause division between muslims.

Remember brothers and sister as imam maalik said "the ummah will never be good if the later generation is not like the earlier generation" meaning the generation which prophet said in a hadith "the best nation is my, then those who follow them and then those who dollow them"...so that nation has abu bakr, umar , uthmaan and all those who believed in the prophet and faught with him battle of Badr and Uhud and all others....

Also, one of the signs of people of faith is the Noor on their faces like prophet said "and prayer is noor" imam nawawee commented "this noor can be understood in 2 types, (a) noor in this life, meaning when a person offers his prayers correctly Allah grants him noor on his face and (b) noor on day of judgment when people of innovation their noor will turn black and people of sunnah by their noor they will cross the bridge"

so look at these shia, By Allah,XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,they slander companions and sin cos they slandered our mother Ayesha...May Allah Guide these people if not, then break their backs. Amin

Interesting facts or accusations, you decide.

I do not believe or agree with fruits2007 comments yet, as obviously i do not have the right knowledge, to either agree or disagree with him.

I hope some shia brother would comment on fruits facts or accusations, so the rest of the muslim brothers can make their own mind up, or atleast get one step nearer to understanding this complex situation or issue.

So i think fruits2007 has laid out some pretty serious allegations or facts from the sunni side, i believe. I hope some shia brothers can comment on these facts or allegations so we can get a better understanding of each side.

Allah Hafiz.

inorder to know a religion or cult or anything, one has to look at their sources or references and this would allow an investigator to see their essence without basing it on hearsay

now lets look at some of the beliefs of shia from the sources and let all shia go back to these sources and check them out for themselves.

Aqeedah One: Taqeeyah (to conceal the truth and make apparent what is not inside you inorder to go with the masses and hide your true identity) this form of aqeedah is from the munafiqeen of Quraysh in the time of prophet, who used to make apparent that which they never believed and claimed to be muslims where inreality they were kuffar. This form of method is called "taqeeyah". This is mentonied in the books of Shia's

1- Ref: "risaalatul A3tiqaadiyah" by muahmmed bin Alee bin Husayn Al-Muqallibe (page 104) he says:"our belief in TAQEEYAH is that it is obligatory and the one who leaves it AS IF he has left out prayer.....taqeeyah is obligatory to perform and is not allowed to be abandoned"
2- Ref: Al-Kaafi (vol2 /pag 222) and Risaail khumaynee (vol2/pg 175)
3- In Wasaail Shia (vol 11/pg 474) from ali ibn husayan who said “Allah will forgive for a believer all sins and purify him in this world and next EXCEPT for two,
a) leaving Taqeeyah
b) not giving the rights of brothers”

Aqeedah 2: declaring kufr upon those who do not believe in their 12 imams
The shia believe that believing in their imams (12) is from the roots of islam and those who do not are basically non-muslim EVEN if he belives in Allah and last messenger. Ref: muhammed bin alee bin hussayn bin baaboweeyah al-qamee al muallaqab in his book “al-a3’tiqaad pag 103” – “our belief in that person who rejects leadership of ali bin abee taalib and the other (12) imams who came after him, that individual is like of the one who rejected all the prophets, and our belief in that person who believes in the leadership of Alee and not the others is like of the one who believes in all prophets but has rejected the prophet hood of Muhammad”

Aqeedah 3: the shia allow the killing of ahlul sunnah wal jammah The shia deem it permissible the blood of ahlul sunnah wal jammah, as they are declare them as kuffar Ref: muhammed bin alee bin hussayn bin baaboweeyah al-qamee al muallaqab in his book “3illal ash-shiraa3” pag 601- “I said to abdullah: what do you say in killing of a Naasib (sunni)? He said, their blood is allowed”

i live in a country where sunnie and shia have conflect. you guys dont know howmuch they hate sunni. i live in lebanon, they brake things made by sunni, like my car. my name is Omar. i have it XXXXXXXX up, ( sorry for the word ).

aakida of shia said that you can lie to a sunni, hizbullah is a shia, and every day with a newer aakida. there aakida is not stable and untrustable. i wont touch shia, thats in my view. but i am open minded you can speak to my about that no worries, i can believe IF i see its more logic then sunni.

your brother, Omar Al. Natour Email Address: natour7@hotmail.com

wa al salamo alykom wa rahmatolahi wa barakatoh

Long Time no see bro where have u been, i started getting worried for you :). Anyway good to see you back. I am not in #islam channel any more. We are on #youislam on the same efnet network. so dont forget to pass by.

Yes CFA21 brother i would have agreed with you completely 100%, if i believed those facts to be right. As even a blind person can see that, Allah the almighty never makes a mistake and whoever dare associate any doubts on Allah will is not worthy of being a human and not deserving any of the Allah blessing in my eyes.

But brother we had someone from the shia brothers side put us right few days ago , and all of my questions, doubts false accusations and rumours i have come to believe about the shia brothers over my life time, like i suspected were completely false accusations or rumours. So i never did and still dont hate any shia brothers just because of what i have been told by some people, cos like its said in Islam do not believe in it till you hear or see it from your own eyes. So i did listen for the firt time from the shia brothers side and i was bit embarassed to put those questions to them in the first place "Obviously" pretty serious allegations.

But anywayz i think it was time for my blind fold to be lifetd, and like i said they are all false rumors brother. And the reason i felt the need to clear it out cos, i have noticed some text from your and brothers fruits2007 post match the exact same sentence, weird coincidence , i think your both reading from the same one sided view website ?.

Anyway bro , i hope u remeber to come to #youislam on same efnet network. I am very happy to see you back.

Allah Hafiz

i am thankfull to you for trying to clear the confusion out, may Allah bless you for your effort.

Ameen.